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[Fantomas]

Cerberus, intéressant, comme ça ils pourront tout fermer en même temps avec "The New Chrysler" (sic)

[perkins]

La MG TF LE 500 mise à l'épreuve des tests aux alentours de Longbridge :  http://youtube.com/watch?v=3VF1jJLsQ9k 

[yallah5]

La MG TF LE 500 mise à l'épreuve des tests aux alentours de Longbridge :  http://youtube.com/watch?v=3VF1jJLsQ9k 

il y avait un peu de vent non ? lol

merci

[perkins]

Confirmation aujourd'hui :  Nanjing Automobile a laissé tombé certains fournisseurs chinois pour la production des MG, ce qui explique maintenant certains délais par rapport aux MG TF (en Chine et au Royaume-Uni)  et MG 3 (en Chine) : NAC MG a différé le début de la production des MG TF (LE 500) à Longbridge (initialement prévue cet automne pour maintenant le printemps 2008), principalement en raison des problèmes de livraison de pièces en provenance de Chine. Certains founisseurs seront finalement européens.
Dans le fond, ce retard  est malgré tout une bonne nouvelle, car c'est  une confirmation de l'accent porté sur la qualité. Pour la MG TF (LE 500), les mois de mars, avril, mai 2008 sont des dates où  les distributeurs MG devraient pouvoir livrer leurs commandes au Royaume-Uni. 
Cette info avait déjà été plus ou moins annoncée par le Birmingham Post il y a un mois.

Source :
 Nanjing drops some Chinese suppliers for MG production

Delivery problems with some parts from Asia delay start of UK assembly plant
Nanjing Automobile is switching to European suppliers from Chinese partsmakers for some components of the MG TF sports car. The Chinese carmaker has delayed the production start of the two-seat TF at its Longbridge, England, plant until next spring from this autumn, partly because of delivery problems with parts from China.

Automotive News 29/10/2008

[Cedric]

Posté par: perkins

La vente de Jaguar et  Land Rover ne devrait pas trop être différée et avec il y aura  la marque ROVER qui va changer de propriétaire. Le groupe SAIC s'est manifesté mais il n'est pas souvent mentionné car les favoris sont  les américains CERBERUS et JPMORGAN, puis les indiens de TATA. Ce serait une  surprise si la SAIC arrivait à l'emporter face aux fonds d'investissement américains et le groupe FORD. 

Si TATA remporte l'offre, peut être que la City Rover revera le jour, il s'agissait me semble t-il d'une Tata....

Un vrai puzzle à reconstruire, il ne manquerait plus que (dans l'absolu et je pense que c'est loin d'arriver) que BMX revende Mini qui reviendrait dans le giron de Rover, imaginer Mini, Land Rover, Rover et Mg réunis à nouveau....

bon j'arrête de r^ver

[perkins]

Le   Birmingham Post laisse présager un avenir prometteur pour le site anglais de Longbridge avec le redéveloppement d'une partie de l'usine où étaient produites les MG ROVER. L'offre publique d'achat de Nanjing par SAIC MOTOR a commencé, les deux constructeurs chinois sont tombés d'accord sur le principe d'une fusion pour créer un géant de l'automobile. Selon cet accord, Nanjing ne possèderait pas plus de 15 %  de SAIC Motor. Aucun nom n'a encore été donné pour désigner ce "Joint venture", le nom de "EAST OCEAN COMPAGNY" circule.
La fusion des deux constructeurs devrait conduire à recentrer sur un seul site le Centre de recherche et de développement des deux groupes, la SAIC ayant déjà son centre RICARDO 2010 à Leamington. Le plan prévoie une meilleure capacité de production, une meilleure logistique et un contrôle qualité communs. Certains composants seraient encore importés de Chine. SAIC Motor laisserait Nanjing Automobile poursuivre son plan initial, mais pourrait le rendre effectif  plus rapidement. Pour l'heure, la MG TF LE 500 est toujours prévue à la production (à Longbridge) fin février début mars 2008.
Un  porte-parole de la SAIC a déclaré : "bien sûr c'est une bonne nouvelle pour Longbridge, parce que cela signifie une compagnie  plus grande. Cela signifie qu'il y aura plus d'argent pour développer les modèles de la prochaine génération. SAIC a beaucoup d'ambition pour la région. Ce sera une Compagnie géante".
Les coentreprises de SAIC avec General Motors et Volkswagen occupent le premier rang des ventes en Chine, avec un volume combiné de 441 584 automobiles vendues au premier semestre 2007, soit 14% de part de marché.

Nanjing takeover date is set Dec 13 2007


By John Revill

A full takeover of Nanjing Automobile by its domestic rival Shanghai Automotive will be sealed on Boxing Day, The Birmingham Post has learned.
The two companies - which have competed over the MG Rover legacy - have agreed in principle to a merger to create a Chinese automotive giant.
Under the terms of the deal Nanjing Automobile Corporation would own no more than 15 per cent of Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation.
But sources said the deal would not affect NAC's plans to restore vehicle production to Longbridge and relaunch its version of the MG TF early next year.
The deal would create the biggest Chinese automotive maker, with a combined production of more than 1.6 million vehicles.
It would be a step towards creating a national Chinese car champion that would eventually compete head-on with global giants.
The Beijing government is seeking to strengthen the industry by encouraging tieups and mergers.
No names have been decided for the new joint company, although East Ocean Company is among those under consideration.
A source said: "This will be good news for Longbridge. SAIC will bring more products and volumes at Longbridge will be higher than before.
"It is a logical move. SAIC is much bigger than NAC and has more money. Joint groups could work together on the engineering and research and development."
The takeover could also pave the way for NAC's blueprint for Longbridge, which will see part of its portion of the old South Works site redeveloped.
A new design centre could be set up, to house the 250 engineers who have been working for SAIC at Ricardo's site in Leamington.
The source added: "Instead of having two separate R&D centres there could now be one. The total investment in R&D, manufacturing and sales and marketing will go up."
No new buildings will be constructed under the blueprint, although existing offices will be refurbished.
The blueprint will also include greater capacity for production and a better logistics and quality control.
This will be necessary as part of the plan is to source more components from China to ensure profitability and reduce the problems the firm has had with defective parts imported from the Far East.
Broken windscreens were among the parts which delayed the relaunch of the TF from this year into 2008.
SAIC is thought to have said it does not want to interfere with NAC's plans.
The source said: "SAIC respect NAC's plans but will look at how to improve things in the future. That is the Chinese way, one firm will not say 'I am the boss', they will co-operate."
The long delayed relaunch of the MG TF will still go ahead at either the end of February or the beginning of March under the plan.
But the deal, although a takeover, has been approved by both companies.
"It is like a marriage. If you want to marry someone it is impossible if the other person doesn't like the other one. Once these companies were competitors, now they have become part of one family, which is very good for sales and marketing for example.
"Of course this is good news for Longbridge, because it means a bigger firm. It means there is going to be more money to develop the next generation of cars. SAIC has some very big ambitions to redevelop this area. It will be giant company," the source added.
A spokeswoman for SAIC said: "Apart from a July 26 letter of intent to cooperate with Nanjing Auto, no new agreement has been signed so far."
She said she did not know when a deal might be announced.
SAIC's ventures with General Motors and Volkswagen are China's biggest car sellers, with combined sales of 441,584 cars in the first half of 2007, or 14 per cent of the market.
But the company faces tough competition in the commercial vehicle area from local rivals FAW Group and Dongfeng Motor. Nanjing Auto's MG brand cars, Yuejin light trucks and Iveco light buses could be valuable additions to SAIC's portfolio.

[Fantomas]

"East Ocean Company" rien que ça, à peine ronflant comme appellation, c'est dirigé par qui le Général Bison :

[perkins]

"East Ocean Company" rien que ça, à peine ronflant comme appellation, c'est dirigé par qui le Général Bison :

on dirait le nom d'une Compagnie aérienne ou d'une agence de voyage  le nouveau boss c'est lui :


Hu Maoyuan, président de SAIC Motor corporation

[yallah5]

Il semblerait qu'il ai un lien de parenté avec Raffarin lol

[perkins]

Avec la signature  officielle  de la fusion SAIC/NAC, Chen Hong  (vice président de SAIC MOTOR CORP.) a annoncé que les équipements et infrastructures de MG ROVER (à  l'usine de Longbridge)  seraient utilisés comme plateforme  pour percer le marché européen...
Avec une telle déclaration, on s'attend à ce qu'ils accélèrent  la relance de la production des MG à Longbridge, qu'ils exploitent d'autres marques anglaises en leur possession comme AUSTIN, mais aussi qu'ils assemblent à partir de kits  des véhicules portant le badge de leur propre marque. A suivre...

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/compa...071226?sp=true

China's SAIC Motor, Nanjing Auto announce merger
Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:47am EST
By Jason Subler and Shen Yan

BEIJING (Reuters) - Top Chinese car maker SAIC Motor Corp and smaller rival Nanjing Automobile Group announced a long-expected merger on Wednesday, creating a national car champion that aims to rival big multinationals.

Separately, Italy's Fiat said it had agreed to sell its 50 percent stake in its loss-making passenger car venture with Nanjing Auto to the Chinese firm, ending a long-strained relationship.

SAIC Motor will pay 2.095 billion yuan ($285.7 million) for the vehicle and core auto parts operations of Nanjing Auto, owner of the classic MG Rover brand, the Chinese firms' parent companies said in a joint statement.

Nanjing Auto's parent company, Yuejin, will in return get 320 million shares in SAIC Motor, the statement added, equal to 4.9 percent of the Shanghai-listed firm's total shares.

"Faced with global competition, we need to go down the path of mergers and consolidation," SAIC Motor Chairman Hu Maoyuan told reporters.

SAIC Motor's ventures with General Motors and Volkswagen AG are China's biggest car sellers, with combined sales of 441,584 cars in the first half of 2007, or 14 percent of the market.

The MG Rover facilities in England, acquired by Nanjing Auto in 2005, will serve as a platform for tapping the European market, SAIC Motor President Chen Hong said.

Nanjing Auto's Yuejin light trucks, as well as Iveco light buses made in another tie-up with Fiat, could be a welcome addition to the portfolio of SAIC Motor, which faces strong competition in the commercial vehicle segment from FAW Group and Dongfeng Motor.

Announcing the sale of its stake in the passenger car joint venture with Nanjing, FIAT said it would nevertheless keep working with the Chinese group in the commercial vehicle and components sectors.

Fiat had been openly concerned about its relationship with Nanjing ever since the Chinese automaker began working on the relaunch of the MG brand. Fiat was worried that this was distracting Nanjing from its commitments to the joint venture.

MORE CONSOLIDATION

China's fast-growing auto market, the world's second largest, is crowded with more than 100 players, with global heavyweights such as GM and Volkswagen playing a major role.

Government officials in Beijing have said they want to see an industry centered on three or four auto groups that have the resources and technology to succeed globally.

The tie-up between Nanjing Auto and its much bigger rival could be held up as a model as regulators coerce small auto makers to merge into bigger players, analysts and executives said.

"We have seen that happening in the steel industry. Consolidation of the auto sector is also inevitable sooner or later," said a Beijing-based analyst, who asked not to be named.

The SAIC Motor group sold 1.25 million vehicles in the first 10 months of this year, dwarfing Nanjing Auto's sales of 79,196 units, according to official figures.

Under the tie-up, Nanjing Auto's non-core assets, including trade and services, will be folded into Dong Hua Co, a joint venture between SAIC Motor's parent company and Yuejin, the statement said.

SAIC Motor's shares, which were suspended from trading on Wednesday, closed up 2.7 percent at 27.01 yuan on Tuesday. They have surged more than 230 percent this year, vastly outperforming a 96 percent rise in the benchmark index .SSEC.

($1=7.333 Yuan)

(Reporting by Jason Subler; Writing by Fang Yan; Editing by Edmund Klamann/David Stamp)
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[perkins]

Selon un membre du forum anglais qui a pu parler avec un  porte-parole de NAC-MG, la MG TF est confirmée et les plans de production sont actuellemement  leur objectif.Longbridge  jouera un rôle  fort dans les plans de SAIC et NAC.   

I've just got off the phone from the NAC-MG UK spokesperson, and it's been confirmed that the MG TF production plans are very much on target.

As for future utilisation of the Longbridge plant, Longbridge will be featuring strongly in SAIC and NAC's future plans.

Source : forum mg-rover.org  03/01/2008

[perkins]

En attendant la reprise effective de la production à Longbridge : http://news.caradisiac.com/SAIC-NAC-Longbridge-pret-a-renaitre-encore-049

[perkins]

     Les distributeurs MG du Royaume-uni n'ont pas encore eu d'informations sur ce qui se trame depuis la fusion SAIC/MG mais ils considèrent qu'il s'agit d'une bonne nouvelle pour  le retour de MG en Europe. David WOOD (le directeur de Luffield Cars qui a une franchise MG) espère pouvoir distribuer  les premières MG TF  à la fin du mois de février et il est certain que la MG 7  sera également au programme pour le Royaume-Uni, il pense que la marque MG sera utilisée commme marque principale et que les modèles anciens ex mg rover seront réservés pour le marché chinois. Si les  marchés sont bien distingués, les distributeurs pourraient retrouver les 2 marques (MG et ROVER) , sachant que parallèlement TATA est susceptible de relancer la marque ROVER (la rumeur est ici confirmée).
L'article reprécise le projet de NAC MG de lancer 3 nouveaux modèles (en plus de la MG TF) dans les 5 prochaines années : la MG 3 (la remplaçante de la 25/ZR), la MG 5 (remplaçante de la 45/ZS) et la MG 7 (remplaçante de la 75/ZT), tous ces modèles pourraient être produits à Longbridge. 


 

SAIC/NAC merger good for dealers
11 January 2008

Author: Tom Seymour

The merger of Nanjing Automobile Corporation (NAC) into Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp (SAIC) brings together the assets of MG Rover under single ownership.

The sale of the UK’s last major British manufacturer in 2005 gave Nanjing the MG brand name and the remnants of the Longbridge production facility, while SAIC took the intellectual property rights to the Rover 75 and 25 and the engine-making division.

Ford retained the Rover name which came as part of the deal when it bought Land Rover.

However, the Rover name could soon be in the hands of Tata Motors if its bid for the Land Rover and Jaguar brands succeeds.

SAIC sells a version of the 75, called the 750, under the name ‘Roewe’ in China. To add to the confusion, Nanjing has been developing a 75/MG ZT-based car it calls MG7, as well as the new TF.

The merger of Nanjing into SAIC will solve the two companies’ ongoing copyright and technical disputes.

Chen Hong, SAIC Motor president, said the Longbridge facility would serve as a platform for his company to tap foreign markets with the MG brand.

Funds from SAIC will help launch Nanjing’s much delayed TF in the UK and Europe. It was due to go on sale late last year but dealers are still waiting for deliveries.

David Wood, general manager for Luffield Cars which has signed up for the MG franchise, said: “There’s a lot going on in the background but we haven’t had much info fed through to us yet.

“I think the merger is good news for us and UK dealers. SAIC will add strength and resource to NAC.”

Wood expects the first MG TF demonstrators to arrive at his Loughborough dealership at the end of February. “It’s crucial for the product to be right. There can’t be quality issues,” he said. Luffield has 800 MG prospects on its database and has already held a special viewing of the new TF with seven customers. Prices are still to be confirmed.

“I’m certain the MG7 will also come to the UK; it’s one of the better prospects for the UK and it’s based on a good platform,” Wood added.

He believes that SAIC will use the MG brand as a global product and will keep the ex-Rover models for domestic markets.

However, if SAIC wanted to pair up the new MG and Rover franchises in the UK again, Wood said he would consider it.

“If the two markets could be differentiated from one another, then we would consider taking on the Rover models,” he added.

NAC UK has confirmed that it intends to bring three more MG models over to the UK over the next five years. The MG3 small hatchback (Rover 25 equivalent), MG5 lower medium car (Rover 45 equivalent) and MG7 saloon (Rover 75 equivalent) could all make their way to the UK and could all be built at Longbridge.

SOURCE: AMOnline

[clemar64]

donc comme à l'époque, lorsque bmw lache la branche auto du groupe mg rover/land rover, les concesionnaires sont confrontés à devoir se séparer de l'une des deux entités. Peut on appartenir  à  la fois à tata et à la saic/nanjing, et à ford et au consorsium phoenix? L'histoire ne se repeterait elle pas une nouvelle fois 10 ans plus tard?

[Fantomas]

Il faut considérer les 2 marques comme ne relevant plus du même ensemble voilà tout , après une quarantaine d'année de vie commune.